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Solving Crimes & Finding Missing Persons Using Psychic Ability – The Possibilities & Limitations

PAM CORONADO: “You won’t want to miss this special, extended Afterlife TV episode with psychic detective Pam Coronado. One of the top psychic detectives in the world who starred in the TV series Sensing Murder, Pam teaches us about solving crimes & finding missing persons using intuitive ability—both the possibilities & the limitations. You’ll be captivated by Pam’s fascinating story of what led her into this calling. Then discover what life is like working with police on violent crimes, what it means on a spiritual level when cases are not solved, what crime victims now in spirit think & feel about their cases being solved, and why some people in spirit don’t want their bodies to be found at all. Plus, learn why Pam Coronado no longer uses mediumship in her work (a surprising insight), how crime victims typically leave their bodies before the violence, and the way crime victims now in spirit want to be remembered. All this and more is contained in this eye-opening Afterlife TV episode.” ~ Bob Olson, Afterlife TV

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Bob: Hey, everybody, Bob Olson here with Afterlife TV. You can find us at This is where we search for evidence of life after death, and ask the meaningful questions around that subject. Today we’re going to be talking about solving crimes and finding missing persons, using psychic ability. We’re going to discover what’s possible and what the limitations are.

We have our own psychic sleuth here, who’s been doing this for 18 years. I will say that I’ve seen her do it on TV, and documentary type of things. As a former private investigator who really wishes you were on my team back then, that would have made things a lot easier, I have never seen anybody do it better. I’m so impressed with this woman that it’s the reason that I’m having her here today. She’s amazing. We can learn about the process. We can learn a lot about the afterlife from her, from her own unique experience. Let’s introduce her. Her name is Pam Coronado. Pam, thanks for joining us on Afterlife TV.

Pam: Thanks for having me, Bob.

Bob: Yeah, this is very exciting to me. I first saw you in 2005. You were on, “Mediums; We See Dead People.” I think that was a two hour special. You were one of the mediums. You did your thing. You were finding a missing person in that case, weren’t you?

Pam: Yeah, we were working on a missing persons case.

Bob: Then, the next thing I saw was in 2012, you were on two episodes of, “The Unexplained,” same process. You were going through that. Again, I was blown away. I always feel like you steal the show, at least for me. Then, I learned that you had, and I don’t know how I missed this, a series where you and Lori Campbell were costars of, “Sensing Murder.” Sensing Murder was in 2006-2007. I found all the episodes on Amazon. You could instantly download them. I got a Roku box and I did it through there, but you can do it right on your computer.

Wow! Boy, that was fun. I recommend anybody watch those, and just be blown away by what you do. As we go along, I’m going to talk about some of the things that really impressed me about that. It’s exciting and I know there’s more. One of the few people I’ve interviewed that I know has like six or seven things on IMDV. I mean, you become somebody if you’re on IMDV. So anyways, tell us about your background. How did you get into being a psychic detective? It’s pretty cool.

Pam: It was definitely not what I was planning when I was in high school. I never sat and thought, “You know, I think I’d like to become a psychic detective.” I was actually studying architecture and design at UCLA when I started having this series of dreams, nightmares. I just started getting plagued with nightmares. At the time, my kids were little. I had three kids. I think the youngest was one and the oldest was four, maybe five. It was sort of creating chaos in my life that I really wasn’t welcoming at that point. I dreamed about a woman who went missing locally. In the dream, I guess I had an empathic experience of being her. I won’t go into all the details of the dream, other than I was riding in the back seat of a car in the dream.

The person in front of me was my husband, but it was a person that I had never laid eyes on before. But in the dream, I knew this was my husband. There was a person in the front seat with him, a female. I knew that that was his girlfriend, and that they were going to kill me. I realized that they were going to kill me. This is still in the dream. I looked out the window, and I can still remember it like it was yesterday. There was an angel flying outside the car and waving, like, come with me. I did because that was preferable to wherever we were going. Then, I had this experience of going with her to what I can only describe as heaven, a big castle with these huge walls, and a feeling of more reverence than I had ever felt in my entire life, as in I don’t know if I belong here or deserve to be here. It was a really overwhelming feeling.

The dream was so vivid. Obviously, I wrote everything down that I could remember because it was just incredible. I had never had a dream like that. I didn’t know what it meant. I didn’t know what was happening. I didn’t tell anyone because it was kind of strange. About three days later, I was reading the paper, and I didn’t know what to think. It was the most incredible life-changing moment ever because there was a picture of the man in my dream, and his wife was missing. He was the prime suspect. So my whole world sort of started crumbling at that point.

Bob: Anybody who watched the TV show “Medium,” would recognize a lot of her stuff came in dreams. We can talk more about that in a minute. There’s so much in that story that we can talk about. For one, once you read this newspaper article, what do you do with that? This is the big question. What do you do with it?

Pam: I did nothing with that. For one, I was just really embarrassed. How do you go tell someone you had a dream, and you think you were getting murdered?

Bob: This is all new to you? You haven’t had a lot of what you might call, “psychic related experiences” before this?

Pam: None. As a kid I was intuitive, but I never realized I was any different than anyone else. I just thought everybody was insightful. I just thought I was insightful.

Bob: So all of the sudden you have this. Was there anything in hindsight, like, you hit your head, or anything you’ve been meditating lately, that might have precipitated this?

Pam: I have no idea. I don’t know if it was my hormones because I’ve had three kids in four years or something like that maybe.

Bob: I know people who have young children now, and it would be the last thing that they would want in their life. I don’t have a breath to myself right here, and now, I have this on my shoulders. What did you do with it?

Pam: For awhile I did nothing. I was really hoping it was just one freak incident. Then, one night I saw the news, and I started following the case obsessively, honestly.

Bob: As you would.

Pam: There was a news report. It’s all very complicated, but it turns out I went to high school with this woman who was missing. I knew some of the parties involved. Not well, but I had gone to school with all of them. I saw the mother and the grandmother on the news. They were crying, and they were asking if anybody had any insight, any tips, anything, to please come forward, and tell the police. I really started feeling guilty for letting my fear, pride, and everything else get in the way. I decided that instead of calling the police unsolicited, I would go down and volunteer for the search, because they were having a search every weekend. I would just go down, volunteer for the search, and if there happened to be anybody there that I could tell, then I would tell. Otherwise, I would just go search.

It turns out that the person that was leading the search was actually a good friend, somebody else I went to high school with. I felt pretty confident telling him my dream because I knew he wouldn’t think I was crazy. I knew that he would take it well. It was a safe little situation for me to take my first wobbly steps into this field. All along, I kept telling him, “I’m not a psychic. This isn’t me. I just had this dream and I think it will help.” They would ask me questions. It was the weirdest day of my life. I wound up talking to the detective, going to the house where he was, and coming face to face with the suspect. It was the weirdest day of my life. I’ve had several after that, but to that point, that was the strangest thing that had ever happened to me.

Bob: Was this friend that you saw during the search, high school friends, was it a he? Was he the first person that you told? You didn’t tell any other family members or anything? Did anybody else know that you were even going to go help with the search?

Pam: No. I think, obviously, just my husband because I was supposed to be at school that day, and I decided to go ahead and play hooky [SP]. I kept thinking, “I’ll just go down there and give them a couple of tips, maybe. Hopefully, we’ll go to the first place, second place, we’ll find her, and then, I could go to school.” That’s what I was thinking was going to happen.

Bob: It’s interesting. Now you know, after doing so many of these, what normally would be helpful to police, and what would not be helpful to police. Was there anything in the dream, as far as location, that was helpful in that dream?

Pam: Yeah. That’s what made it so significant. I was driving along in the car, looking out the window, so I got a sense of where we were driving around. It actually turned out not to be exactly where mentally I had decided it was, but it matched visually. Just to finish up the story, she was found that day. I wasn’t with the group that found her but we just got out maps, and started highlighting all the areas that sort of matched my description. We just, one by one, eliminated them until they found her that day.

Bob: Talk about a whack on the side of the head, “Hey, Pam, you’re supposed to go in this direction!” It’s like, “Whoa wake up call.” How much longer after this did you maybe have your second experience?

Pam: That’s what’s so funny. I thought, “Okay, that was weird. Now I can go back to school and things, have my kids and family, and things will go back to normal.” It couldn’t have been more than a week, where I got a call from someone. Her daughter was missing, and she was frantic. I said, “How in the world did you even get my number?” She said, “I talked to John and he was the one who was in charge of the search party in the other case.” He gave her my number.

I told her, “I didn’t dream about your daughter. I don’t know how to help you.” Because I didn’t dream about her. I’m not a psychic. I don’t know what I’m doing. They eventually convinced me to be hypnotized. I guess it was a psychic that had done crime work before. She hypnotized me and started asking me questions. I thought I was just making stuff up. It seemed like I was making stuff up. That turned out to be another pretty big case that got solved quickly, from Los Angeles.

Bob: With the help you gave them?

Pam: Yeah. In that case, they found her. They had the girl by the time I got involved, but she was from my town, which is 60 miles north of Los Angeles. Her body had been found in Los Angeles. They were really looking for a suspect. They were looking for the person that did this. Like I said, I was new at this, and was just learning. I made a lot of mistakes out in the field. I kept hearing his name as Rose. I thought his name was Rosengren [SP]. I described a lot of things about his personality, and his relationship to the girl, which got the mother thinking about someone that she knew. She gave his name to the detectives, and when they ran him, he had prior incidents. So they had DNA on him. It turns out that it was him, but his name was Robinson. I’m working on my intuitive hearing.

Bob: Yeah, exactly. Oh my God, your mind must have been blown! Okay, you have a dream. You understand. We know what dreams are. You have a dream, but this is a very lucid, vivid dream, so this is unusual. So that pushes you. But now, all of the sudden, you’re pushed into the second case and don’t even know you’re really a psychic. They use hypnotism, which is basically deep meditation, to ask you questions, and get more information, which again, leads to solving this crime. It’s amazing to me. There’s people all over the world who are searching for their purpose in life. Yours just falls right down on top of your head.

Pam: Right. After this started happening, for the first time ever, I finally figured out that this is what I wanted, too. It took awhile. I fought it for awhile, but I started to realize, “This is where I feel like I finally fit. This is it for me.”

Bob: Which is awesome, right? There’s no better feeling. I get that in doing these things. Nothing brings me more energy and enthusiasm to life than doing these. This is the kind of work that you do. Now this leads you into being what you call a psychic detective. For those who maybe don’t know, or maybe they think they know, but you might have a better definition. How would you sort of describe what a psychic detective is, or does?

Pam: It’s funny because I used to not like that term. I tried everything else like “intuitive investigator.” Nobody knew what that was and it was confusing to people. So I just went back to calling myself a psychic detective.

Bob: There you go.

Pam: A psychic detective has so many roles, from helping with missing persons cases to helping identify suspects, vehicles, and weapons. There’s a whole range of things that a psychic detective can help with. For me, I’ve sort of fallen into the missing persons case. I have my own foundation. I started my own foundation a few years ago. I’m still trying to get it up and running. That’s really where my heart landed, is on missing persons cases, just because it’s so gut-wrenching to see these families where the department has sort of thrown in the towel. Not that I blame them, but they run out of resources. They run out of leads. They don’t know what to do next, so they sort of stop, and the families don’t have anybody to turn to.

Bob: That’s right. We’re going to talk about it later, but I’m going to mention, for those people who don’t continue to listen all the way to the end, Project Search for Hope. is the name of that organization that you founded, if people want to check that out. I highly recommend that anybody who can recognize the benefit to this, to help donate their money, their time, resources, or whatever it may be. They can learn more about it there. The links will all be in the show notes, of course, below this video but, O-R-G. Obviously, you had to learn as you went along. I’m going to mention now, and again, we’ll talk more about it later, that you’re now offering a course to teach psychics and mediums who want to do this work, how to do it.

I checked out that course. Again, as a private investigator who now understands psychics and mediums, I couldn’t have been more elated taking the course myself, and so excited about the things that you teach people. You’re so grounded. You’re the perfect link between the police and the physics, and you’re able to pull it all together. We’ll talk more about that, but that’s on your website, Again, in the show notes, there’s the link. I highly recommend it and we’ll talk more about that in a minute. But, for you, it was more of a trial and error. You didn’t have this wonderful coarse to sort of set you straight and get you going, but you did pick up a mentor somewhere along the way. How long did it take before you found someone to sort of mentor you through this?

Pam: It was a few years that I was sort of out there on my own. Her name was Beverly Jaegers [SP]. She had a group called the U.S. Psi Squad, U-S, P-S-I squad. Some people probably are familiar with her. She developed quite a name for herself as a psychic detective. I was really intrigued by her because she had this little group. She believed anybody could learn to be psychic, that it’s sort of inherent in all of us. So she had a little group of police officers, law enforcement, either retired or active. She was teaching them how to do this work.

Bob: Oh, nice.

Pam: That was intriguing to me but then, she took me under her wing. I was already learning how to do the psychic work, but she really taught me what detectives want, what’s helpful for them, and what’s not helpful for them. She made a big difference for me, especially in that regard.

Bob: That was definitely one of my questions. I’ve done a little bit of this myself, only because you can’t help to not run across it every once in awhile. I had this one experiment. I saw it as an experiment where I was slightly involved in a missing persons case. This was a few years ago. I had hundreds of people on the Psychics and mediums were listed there and I had all their email addresses. So I emailed out, “Hey, if anybody gets a hit on this and wants to give some information, just send it to me, and we’ll go from there.” We had over a hundred people respond. It was quite a lesson for me, a lot of the stuff that you talk about in your course.

First of all, one of the things I will say now, get your confirmation on this, it’s so much better to work with one psychic who knows what they’re doing in this work ongoing, than to work with 100 randomly, who got one foot in the door. Do you not agree?

Pam: I agree. It becomes so confusing and overwhelming. That’s why I always caution people not to call unsolicited to police departments, because they’re probably getting 500 calls. A high-profile case, they’re probably getting anywhere between 5, 6, or 700 calls.

Bob: From psychics and mediums?

Pam: From psychics.

Bob: Oh my God.

Pam: I’ve had these detectives tell me that it’s really frustrating for them because a psychic gets very excited. I understand this because I am one. I understand how you can get really excited about a dirt path in the woods. Because you’re like, “I got something! I know where she is. I got a dirt path in the woods.” But you call the detective, and they’re not thrilled with that, because that’s not helpful.

Bob: No, it’s not helpful at all. We did. We got so much of that. I wanted to be kind and compassionate to the psychics and mediums, because they were sweet enough to want to help. But we got a lot of that. You know, “They’re by water. There’s a big rock nearby.” This case was in Vermont. You know, it’s mostly forest. There’s a zillion rocks.

Pam: Creeks.

Bob: Exactly. Anyways, so one of the first things I learned, really, from that was that most of psychics and mediums just don’t know what detectives need. They don’t recognize what detectives need. You obviously learned from trial and error. You learned from your mentor. But one of the things you recommend in your course is that people, it’s so interesting because you did it, go out and volunteer as a search member, not as a psychic. Not so you can do what you did, which is try to find someone who you can give your psychic messages to. But to become a search member, so you can learn what would be helpful and what would not be helpful, in terms of these messages that they’re getting. Do you want to elaborate on that?

Pam: Until you’ve been out there in the woods, you just don’t realize how these details, and how having a really detailed description of the location is so necessary. As a psychic, it seems easy on paper. It really seems easy when you’re getting this because you’re thinking, “I know where she is! I’ve got it! There’s this curvy road and there’s a creek right there. How could they not know where this is?” Well, as soon as you get out into the real big, wide world, you realize it’s much harder than it appears.

Bob: Yeah, it really is. I thought that was great advice.

Pam: I’ll interrupt you for a second.

Bob: Yeah, please do.

Pam: Now I tell people when they say, “Well, should I call? What should I do with this information?” I always say, “Just look at it objectively. Can you follow up on it? Would you be able to go out and find this place that you’re describing yourself?” If they say, “No,” then I say, “Don’t call the cops.”

Bob: Right. Great. Now, how do you feel about if they decide to sort of try to follow up on some of the messages that they got? Do you recommend that or not recommend it, on their own?

Pam: Oh, definitely. You have to be safe and sane about it. I don’t recommend people going off into the woods by themselves. But yeah, definitely, I do recommend it because they can always call 911 if they find something.

Bob: Yeah, that’s true. And like you say, be safe. What I was thinking about was how it was a little over 100 responses that we got, very fascinating. I think that it’s important for people to know. We had a good percentage of people who were mediums and psychics, about 50/50. We had a good percentage of both psychs and mediums who were sure that the person was deceased. Just as many, almost an equal amount said, “Sure, he was alive,” then, others who were sure that he was still in the state. A big percentage had these elaborate stories about how he got into somebody else’s truck, was in Texas or Colorado, and all sorts of other places.

You could see how this could become very confusing, and there’s just not enough resources to run all those things down, another example of why it’s so much better to work with one person. If people watch this Sensing Murder series that you had, I saw it on Amazon, they really could get a sense of how initially you get your information without knowing anything. Tell us a little about that process, how you would go through it, at least based on what you did in that show, because it was eye-opening.

Pam: In the show, they pushed me to my limits, where I was pretty uncomfortable with the process.

Bob: That’s cool. Why is that?

Pam: I was trained to work with a photo of the person, whether it was a victim, they were missing, or whatever it was. They refused to give me a photo in that show until I described the person properly. They would give me an object to hold, something that belonged to the victim. They wouldn’t give me my photo until I adequately described them. So that pushed me out of my comfort label. But the less you know about a case upfront, it’s easier. People think it’s the opposite, but it’s actually easier for you because you really have nothing to rely on except for your intuition. So it’s more likely you’ll actually use your intuition. If you have any kind of facts, we call it front loading and remote viewing, that front loading could just wreak havoc. You don’t even realize that it’s creating some noise in your work.

I do it a lot to my students. I’ll give them the photo of a missing woman, for example. A lot of times, I’ll give them a case where the killer was a female, just to see that they’re actually working. Ninety percent of them will come back with a male because that’s what they’re expecting. The ones that come back and say, “Wait a second, I think there’s something weird about this.” As soon as they start feeling like there’s something unusual about it, then I know that they’re actually using their intuition.

Bob: Yeah, they’re tapping in. This is true for readings. I’ve always recommended people go to a stranger when getting a reading, especially if you have any skepticism at all. But even later, if you’re working with people who know anything about you, certainly that information is going to get in the way, and you never really know if it’s coming from intuition or intellect. One of the other things you did very, very well, I noticed right off, was that you know what questions to ask yourself. Here we are, we’re talking a lot about beginner psychics and mediums, but the police, they’re beginners in working with psychics in this case. I noticed that because of that fact, you are very good about asking yourself the right questions so that you could get the answer. Maybe you’re not really asking yourself, but asking the right questions, is there a process you go through to do that?

Pam: When Beverly taught me, she taught me to pretend I was a reporter for any case, so, who, what, why, when, and where were the big questions. Each case, of course, is different. They might not need the where. Maybe they already found the person, but they need to know who and why. That was sort of the basis of having any kind of structure whatsoever, for me, in the beginning because I had no structure at all. It was just whatever flew in, flew in. I talk about it like going to the grocery store without a list. If you have no idea what you’re trying to get, things will come in, and then you don’t really know which category to put them in, sometimes. You may get a car, but you don’t know whose car it is. It could be the victim’s, it could be the killer’s, or it could be a witness. You have no idea. I try to short circuit all of that by asking what I’m wanting. Then, it has some significance when I get a response.

Bob: The other thing I loved, what you did, you didn’t ask questions except to have things confirmed, messages that you were getting, to confirm those or not. Also, when you had a message, when you got something that you saw or heard or felt, you just described what it was that you were seeing, feeling, or hearing, as opposed to making an interpretation and labeling it. I’ve been trying to teach this to psychs and mediums for years. It’s so exciting just to see you do that. Nothing’s better than watching someone actually do that in practice . Where did you learn to do that? Because that allows, in this case the police, the opportunity to make their own interpretations based on exactly what you’re seeing, rather than what your interpretation of that is.

Pam: How I learned it was by being embarrassed a bunch of times. So that’s how I learned it. I really learned it. It takes awhile to really get this concept, but if I go into a case blind, and I don’t know very much about it, it’s a pretty big ego that says, “I’m going to make this all make sense for you, who happens to have all of this background information.” So I realized I don’t know better than they do. I don’t know anything. All I can give them is what I’m getting. It leaves less room for misinterpretation. It was actually one of the Sensing Murder shows that I did this. I think it was the pilot. I saw this violent confrontation. I saw arms flailing around, and I saw blood on the victim. That’s what I saw. What I said was, “She’s been stabbed.” When the detective looked at me and said, “No,” then I was totally lost. I didn’t know what to do. I was just lost. He saw me struggling, and eventually he said, “Did you see a knife?” All of the sudden I realized, “Oh, no. I didn’t see a knife.” That was a huge lesson for me in not making those mental leaps and making assumptions.

Bob: Yeah, it was beautiful. I recognized it. I never saw you do it again. I only saw you do it that one time. You eventually did get later that it was a bat. You didn’t say it was a bat, you said she was hit with something, a blunt object kind of thing, which again, is a better description than saying bat. Anything can look like a bat. I saw that. Being the empath, my heart went out to you immediately and felt the awkward moment, but I loved the recovery on it. I loved what that taught everybody, especially psychics and mediums, by watching that. I thought it was a great example. I knew it was unusual for you. I knew why you did it, too because there was. There was obviously a lot of blood. We just make assumptions. It’s very hard not to, right?

Pam: It really is, and you have to. That’s what I really learned through making several mistakes, is that just report what you see, try not to wrap it up, and put it in a pretty package. I have students do it to me all the time. When they come to me with a big scenario and say, “I’ve got this thing all figured out.” I’m suspicious immediately. I’m like, “You should be confused. It should be coming in bits and pieces, and it should make no sense to you. The more confused you are, the better, usually.”

Bob: That sort of humbleness comes from working with a bunch of skeptics, the police for the most part I’m sure most of them are, running into walls in that way, and making that mistake enough times so that you begin to preempt what they’re going to be thinking. You stop saying those things that make them question you. You know how your ability works. They don’t know how your ability works. I always thought that the communication between the two, the police and the psychics, that was the issue. They just didn’t understand how the ability works. When you got something wrong, there’s this big exclamation mark next to it, as opposed to just recognizing, “No, she just needs more information. She just needs to work more on it. Let’s keep going here.” But instead, it sort of stops everything for a moment. It makes them start to question you, doesn’t it?

Pam: Yeah. The thing about detectives is this is just part of their training. They take everything literally. It’s hard for them to not really take everything you say literally, and understand that you could have 90% of it right, but 10% of it’s wrong. They have to make allowances for some of it. For example, if I say, “I see a truck and that I think it’s silver,” and it turns out to be a white truck, they have to understand that that’s sort of the way it works, and not just get locked into the fact that we’re looking for a silver truck now. We have to find a silver truck. They have to sort of learn to understand the information that comes in.

Bob: I would think that they would be used to that. They need to apply some of the things that they already know, on their own, to what you’re doing. As a PI, if I was investigating an accident scene, I might get statements from five different people who all saw the accident. They’re going to give me all kinds of colors of the different vehicles. You know what I mean? That’s just very common. In fact, no two statements are ever going to be exactly alike. Even the order of things can be mixed up, with different people.

It’s amazing how different these people, who all saw the same thing, can describe what happened. That happens normally. If they can understand that that same thing applies with psychics and mediums, then that would be helpful to them. I don’t know if it was in your course or if it was the last episode, I wanted to watch the last episode to see how things had changed from the early episodes of Sensing Murder. I feel like you said it there, but you said one of the things that you really liked is that when a police officer or detective is new at this, then they kind of ask you to tell them how to do it properly. What kind of questions should they be asking? What should they be doing? How is that helpful?

Pam: I love when they do that. I love when they let themselves be vulnerable, because I’m vulnerable. So I love when they let themselves be vulnerable and say, “You know what, this is brand new to me. You’re a tool that I don’t know how to use. So tell me what you need to succeed.” One of the things detectives when they’re trained, they know not to do this but they get excited working with me and they forget, but not to lead the witness. I always tell them, “Treat me just like a witness. Don’t feed me information. Just question me about the things that I’m already telling you instead of leading me.” There’s a great example I give all the time and it’s a detective I ended up working with for a really long time. I was describing a church, and she got real excited and said, “Is there a graveyard in the front?” I said, “Well, there is now.” [inaudible 00:41:37] I don’t know. It’s those leading questions that really wreak havoc on intuition.

Bob: Yeah. Exactly, very interesting. Again, intellect, intuition, they can mess each other up. You got to try to keep them as separate as possible. You talked earlier about how you prefer to find missing persons. Sensing Murder was more about solving crimes, but involved missing persons. How often does a missing persons case turn into a crime?

Pam: Probably 95% of the time. It’s a high, high number. I always see the one where somebody just ran off or something like that. It’s such a rare situation. That’s why one of the things I would love to see law enforcement do is treat every single missing person as a homicide up front, just because you can’t undo those mistakes that happen early on.

Bob: Good point. You know, you also said something interesting in your course about children cases versus adult cases. Remember what you said? Share that with us because it was brilliant.

Pam: A lot of people go under this spiel with this notion that they want to save children. It didn’t take long for me to realize that everybody is somebody’s child. So a 30 year old is still somebody’s child and where do you draw the line? At 18 or 25 or 30? For me, everybody is still somebody’s child, and now, somebody’s mother or father or other things. Really, I like adult cases just because they don’t get as much time and attention as children’s cases. There’s the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. It’s huge and they have all these resources. I would really like to see adult cases get equal attention.

Bob: Even on the news, obviously a more sensational story, more heart-wrenching. They get at least twice as much time when it’s a child versus it’s an adult. Adult, you’re lucky if you see it. With a child, you can’t miss it. They play it a thousand times and the segment is much longer. I’m sure people are wondering, so I feel like I have to ask. What percentage of these cases that you have helped with, how many have you worked on, in one way or another? Over 100?

Pam: Yes, definitely over 100.

Bob: Okay. What percentage would you say are solved based on psychic related discoveries?

Pam: That is the hardest question. I hate that question, actually.

Bob: Sorry.

Pam: That’s okay. I get it all the time and it’s impossible to answer. For one, a lot of these detectives go off and I never hear from them again. So I don’t even know if they used the information. I don’t know what happened with it. I don’t get any feedback. More than half of them, I have no idea.

Bob: That’s a great answer. As a PI, the same thing used to happen with me. I never found out what happened. I turned in my report and that was it. Unless I happened to think of one particular case out of dozens to follow up on, you’re always focused on the next one. Nobody ever thinks to say, “Hey, Bob, that investigation you did really helped us out.”

Pam: Exactly. They don’t come back and go, “Hey, thanks a lot.”

Bob: They’re afraid I’ll ask for more money or something. Big question. Tell us about the difference between using psychic ability versus mediumistic ability in doing this work, and which one you prefer.

Pam: That one’s always kind of surprising to people, but I do not use mediumship in my crime work. It’s really kind of interesting because the dead or alive question came up earlier. You would think that if you were a medium that would be an easy answer to an easy question. It turns out to be extremely difficult and confusing. I actually rely on only my psychic abilities and stay away from mediumship because it confuses issues more. I’ve also found, and this is the part that’s kind of surprising to people, but you may not get accurate information from a spirit who is communicating with you because sometimes they have their own agenda. In fact, that first case that I worked on that I told you about the dream, she came through to me in a mediumship way, and insisted, this is later obviously, that her husband didn’t have anything to do with her murder.

Bob: Sheesh! Thank you!

Pam: I think she was still protecting him, or she didn’t want the kids to lose both of their parents, or whatever her agenda was. I was shocked. I thought that they were all perfect. I thought they went back over there, and all of a sudden they were enlightened and perfect.

Bob: Enlightened is impossible.

Pam: Yeah. I was kind of shocked. A lot of times you get that question, too. You just get this big nothing answer. Who killed you? You just give this big non answer. I don’t know if they’re not allowed to tell you. I don’t understand that phenomena but I’ve seen it over and over.

Bob: You know, it’s interesting because my theory on this has always been that if a person is missing and they’re not meant to be found, or a crime has been committed and it’s not meant to be solved, and when I say that, I mean it doesn’t just involve that one person or those two people. It involves everyone around, all the family members, all the loved ones. Everybody who was involved is having an experience that they get to take back into the spirit world for all eternity. These are the lessons that we’re all learning, and I believe that some of it is set up, a little bit meant to be, in that these are lessons that we’re learning that our soul would like us to learn. My theory on it is that some cases are not meant to be solved and some people are not meant to be found. What’s your experience on that?

Pam: I actually do agree with that. I also feel like sometimes a spirit doesn’t want their family members to be the ones to find them. They don’t want them to be traumatized that way. Sometimes I wonder if it’s just a timing thing, and they’re not supposed to be found until some point in the distant future. That’s where I had to sort of really get in line with my own spiritual soul-self, and understand that I’m just another pawn in this whole big game. I can’t take it all so personally. I do the best job that I can do, and that’s all I can do. It’s really not about me. I’m just another piece in this big puzzle.

Bob: I think there is a surrender that we have to do, in reference to things like that. This happens in all of life. We find ourselves in a situation. You find yourself on a particular case, the infinite number of things that must take place for you to actually end up on a case. You have to believe that it was all meant to be, whether or not that case gets solved, and all wrapped up the way we would like to, with a pretty bow, or not. Everybody who’s involved is having an experience that I believe that they’re supposed to have. And like you said, some of that experience, yeah, it will get solved. It’s just not going to be solved today. It might be solved three years from now. We have to accept that, and from your perspective, I’m sure that can really mess with your mind because if it’s not meant to be solved, “What am I doing this for?”

Pam: Yeah, I had to battle that a lot. There have definitely been times where I felt like quitting. I really felt like quitting and thought, “Why am I even doing this?” It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack sometimes. I’ve actually gotten the message in meditation a few times, too. Maybe the result isn’t actually what counts to the family. The point that somebody’s helping them, that somebody’s trying, and somebody’s looking is really what counts.

I think the Malaysian flight that went missing has been a really interesting case for me because it’s sort of what we deal with day in and day out, happening on a big, major stage. People seeing how a whole plane can just get swallowed up and disappear somehow, how big the world becomes. But they haven’t given up. They have just poured millions and millions of dollars, time, effort, and tears. I’ve watched these guys look like they ride the same roller coaster I ride, where you get all excited, and you think, this is it. We got it. And then, you don’t find anything. You’re discouraged, tired, dirty, and sweaty.

Bob: That’s right. No kidding. That was one of the things about Sensing Murder and even the Unexplained Cases, most of those things were not wrapped up. It’s so not United States, Hollywood happy ending. I actually think it’s one of the reasons some of these shows don’t last longer. It’s because that’s what people want. They want these happy endings. But you’re living it. You’re personally involved in these things. We watch it for an hour, then we move on, and we think about something else. You’re out in 90 degree weather, in the swamps, trying to find something like this. Then you have to go home, and wrap your mind around why nothing ever happened with it. It’s got to be a challenge.

Pam: Definitely. I will say a really funny story real quick. I was in New Orleans on a search, and that was on The Unexplained, actually, the one where the guy went missing in New Orleans. We were in and out of all the homeless camps and talk about hot, dirty, and sweaty. It was in the middle of the summer. I was walking down the street in the French Quarter, and all of the sudden out of nowhere appeared a Secret Service guy. Then pretty soon there was two of them. As I’m standing there in my ratty search clothes, I’m hot, sweaty, and alone on this street, here comes Bill Clinton.

Bob: No way!

Pam: So I actually met Bill Clinton. What’s funny is that it’s really classic because he walked right up and shook my hand. I said, “I don’t know if he thought I was homeless or what.”

Bob: That’s right. He might have, right?

Pam: He might have. He came up and shook my hand anyway. That was kind of really funny.

Bob: That is a great story. The last thing in the world after a day like that, you don’t want to meet anybody, never mind the President of the United States. That’s amazing. That was a great story. That was actually the case I was thinking about, when I was thinking about just being out in the heat, doing your work. This would probably come more from mediumship than anything, but how many people in spirit, from your own experiences, want their crimes solved? If they do, what would be their aim in that? What would be their purpose behind wanting it solved? And for those who don’t, maybe why not?

Pam: That’s such a good question. Just in my experience of talking to spirits that have been murdered or died in a violent way, their answers are really kind of interesting. And in the dream, like I told you in the first segment, she left her body before the violence happened. I’ve heard that over and over from spirits, that they take off before the violence. So they’re not as traumatized as we think they are. As far as justice, they don’t have the same concept of justice that we do, actually.

What I’ve been told is that they want their family members to have peace. That’s all they care about, is their family members. So if there’s a family member that just cannot move on, is really struggling, and just has to have some sort of justice, then that’s the only form that they really want it. They don’t need it for themselves, but they want their family members to have whatever is going to allow them to heal and move forward.

Bob: That’s the answer I gave in my book. That’s my own experience, as well. In fact, it seems they just want us to be happy. If when you recognize that about your loved ones in spirit, their motives in a lot of the things that they do, that will answer a lot of questions for you. Do I need to fly across the country to visit their grave? No. Not if it’s a financial burden to you. You know what I mean? Do I need to buy an $8,000 casket instead of them cremated? No. It’s like not if that’s difficult on you. They want us to be happy. They want us to be comfortable. They want everything. I found that across the board, and it’s great to hear that you’re experience involving violent crimes is pretty much the same thing. It also explains why some might not be solved. You mentioned in an email to me that a lot of them just want to be remembered more in the happy times than as how they died. Correct?

Pam: That’s the only time I’ve ever actually felt frustration coming from spirits at all. It’s that everyone is obsessing over what caused their death, and forgetting about the whole life they lived before that. Some spirits have really expressed a little bit of frustration with that, because that’s not what they want people to obsess about, and what they want to be remembered. They want their life remembered.

Bob: That’s a super powerful message there. People should rewind that and listen to it again. I think it’s really powerful. My work with people who have taken their own life, it’s the same exact thing. So many people are focused on the suicide, when that same person did amazing things throughout their life, all kinds of wonderful things, lots of loving moments. Whatever it may be, there was a whole lifetime before that. Then for some families, that all gets forgotten, and they’re just focused around the suicide. It’s sad in that way. Like you said, frustrating. Frustrating for the loved ones. You have also worked as a medium, giving readings for families of murdered victims. These family members have special concerns, their own fears, their own questions. What are some of the more common concerns that come to mind, that you’ve recognized in working with these families?

Pam: What’s interesting is that there’s this really odd need to hear the details, and the truth about what happened to their loved one. I always try to avoid as much of that as possible, because what if I’m wrong? I don’t want to be telling them all these gruesome things if I’m wrong. I try to steer them away from that conversation. But I have found, repeatedly, that that’s one of the things that they push for. They really want these details. I think it’s that they’re just desperately trying to understand what happened, and somehow assimilate everything, I guess. It’s hard to understand, but I see that as really common. The one thing, like I’ve said over and over, I’ve been able to tell them is that a lot of times they leave their body. They don’t suffer the trauma that we were imagining in our head. We’re imagining the worst of the worst, and truly they’re out flying with the angel. They left already.

Bob: Again, another super powerful message here, I think, and you said it right at the beginning. She was in the car and left to fly off with the angel long before the violence even started. I believe they are, I don’t know what your beliefs are, still aware of what’s going on, completely detached from their bodies from this, not absorbing, not experiencing any of that pain. But that was way ahead of time. They know what’s going on though, right?

Pam: I had another one that’s really an interesting one. This girl, I did a mediumship reading with her. She had been stabbed by a person she was dating, and trying to break up with. I think it happened in a park. She had been stabbed several times in the chest. She stumbled over to the nearest house, and she knocked on the door. She asked for help, and she collapsed on their porch. I think she died in the ambulance or something, on the way to the hospital. When I did my reading with her, it was really amazing because she kept telling me that she was numb. She didn’t feel any pain. She said she felt warmth, but that’s all she felt. She was saying it was like she was a zombie or something. She said she didn’t feel all of that. That’s what was so upsetting for her family, just those moments. She kept saying, “I didn’t feel any pain. I didn’t feel any of that.” She said, “I was just sort of in shock, and endured just going through the motions.”

Bob: I had a Facebook post recently that talked about this idea of leaving their bodies before the pain and suffering. It was interesting, a whole bunch of people who had had near-death experiences, commented that that was their experience as well. These are people who obviously didn’t die. They died temporarily, but came back. That was their experience, as well. They never experienced any of the pain and suffering, until they came back into their body, and then they dealt with the healing part. But the actual violent crime, if that were it, or the impact of a vehicle crash or something like that, they said they didn’t experience at all. It was amazing to see how many people are out there and they probably never told their stories to anybody else. But they’re sharing this with other people on Facebook. I think it’s amazing.

Pam: It is. And it’s comforting to know that.

Bob: Yeah, it is, isn’t it? I have one question here. We’re running long, but this is such a rare opportunity to have you here. I’m not worried about it. I know people are going to be interested in this. Again, in your course for psychs and mediums, who want to become psychic detectives, I highly recommend it. I’m going to tell everybody about it, shout it from the roof tops, about how good this course is.

You teach psychics and mediums to use sound judgment before helping. One of the things you say is to never contact the family of a victim, including on social media, because that’s a whole new thing. Always wait until you’re asked by police to help. It’s like you could say that a million more times, just to make sure it gets through, right? Always wait until the police ask you to help. My question though, in relation to this, is how have psychics or mediums ever become a murder suspect because they presented information without being asked?

Pam: It’s really kind of funny because I have a personal story about that, actually. I had a client that called me on the phone and he was gay. His partner had gone for a walk and never came back. They lived on some property with just a few acres or something. I think he waited nine months before he called me. They had done massive searches and not found him. So nine months later, this guy calls me and says, “Can you help me find this guy?” I hung up and I did my reading on him. I called him back and said, “You know, I think he’s on your property. I don’t know how you could have missed him, but I’m pretty sure he’s on your property.” I described this little dry creek bed, and this little shed. He said, “I know exactly where you’re talking about. We searched it, but I’ll go back and look.” Sure enough, they went down there, and found the skeleton remains.

They called the detectives, and it turned into a crime scene. I never heard anything from those detectives. They never called me. I thought that’s bizarre because you would think they’d want to know how I knew where the body was. You would think they’d at least go, “Hey, thanks” or “Hey, who called you?” But I never got anything. It wasn’t until recently through a different law enforcement friend, found out that he was a suspect for a long time. So because he was a suspect, they thought that I was in cahoots with him. So instead of seeing me as being the one that helped, they saw me as being a potential suspect.

Bob: What a great way to pretend you found the body, or you know where it is. A psychic told me. But that certainly could be an issue for any psychics or mediums who sort of force themselves on the family or the police, by giving them this information. Especially, if they’re somehow connected, like you were connected. You were friends with this guy. But even if not, if for whatever reason the information is so accurate, and they can’t fathom how else you would know that except for being involved, that could certainly happen. Another good reason to wait until the police contact you.

Pam: Well, that’s the thing. All the things that people come to me with, their complaints about trying to get their information to the police is, “They’re going to laugh at me,” or “They were rude,” or “They don’t believe me. How do I get them to believe me?” I get that one all the time, “How do I get them to believe me?” Well, if they contact you and they’re asking you, then you’re already 20 steps ahead. But if they don’t know you, and you’re coming at them unsolicited, of course they’re not going to be open-minded, necessarily. I always say it’s like if you were a mechanic and you had some celebrity’s car in there, broken down, and 60 people called you, all with a different degree of knowledge, all telling you how to fix this person’s car. After a while, you’d just be hanging up the phone and going, “Stop calling me!” It’s that.

I know people want to help. I get that. I understand that they want to help. But really, get trained, and know what you’re doing. There are ways to approach, once you’re trained, cold case departments and stuff like that, once you know what you’re doing, and you’re willing to test on solved cases. There’s a way to do it. People are like, “Well, how are they going to know to call me? How are they going to know me if I’m nobody?” I believe that the universe has a way of making things work out. I’ve always told my students, when the student’s ready, the case will appear. It seems to happen that way every time, where it just sort of enters their world in a round about way. I always tell them, “You must be ready, because the case is here.”

Bob: That’s right. Exactly. That certainly was your story. You had many students that you’ve always been able to see the same thing happen. You must get information on cases that you’re not going to work on, all the time, especially high-profile cases that you see on the news type of thing. Do you pick up stuff, but you’ve learned to have that surrender, like, “Okay, maybe I know something but I can’t work on all of them”?

Pam: I actually don’t watch the news very often. I used to do it because I knew that there was a good chance I might get called on some of these cases and I didn’t want to be front loaded. So I would sort of shield myself from them. Sometimes they were incredulous, like, “Where have you been living? Under a rock? How do you not know any of this?” I sort of shield myself from it. I don’t like to pick up things that are not going to be helpful, that I have to carry around now, energetically or spiritually. I don’t’ want to pick up stuff that isn’t necessary. I have enough that is necessary, and I don’t want the extra. So I tend to avoid all of that.

Bob: You work psychically. Do you work with guides that are in the same, maybe team of people in spirit, all the time?

Pam: Yes.

Bob: You do. So you’re able to trust. That’s a nice thing. You’re able to trust them. You know who they are. You know how to work with them. They know how to work with you.

Pam: Right. I actually have a guide that works specifically with me on crime stuff, which is kind of interesting.

Bob: Oh, interesting. That is cool. Let’s talk about some of these organizations that are near and dear to your heart. Again, Just tell us a little bit about that again.

Pam: I founded it just a few years ago. It’s really where I got frustrated with never hearing anything back sometimes on these searches, or them not following up on them at all. I decided that I would take matters into my own hands, and create an organization that would be a search. That’s what I like about it, is that we’re actually on the ground doing searches. I have retired detectives, retired FBI, and on my board, I actually have victims advocates, because they can help, sort of navigate with the families that are struggling. Then I have people that are trained with me, and I know that they are competent. I know that they’re consistent. So I have those intuitives. So I kind of combine both of those things, and see what we can do.

Bob: Including cadaver dogs and that help. So you have different people in different parts of the country that you can call upon when needed. Sometimes people might need to fly out there, I imagine. Is this where some of the money goes, that is donated to you? To help with the travel costs, etcetera?

Pam: That’s pretty much what all of the money is for. It’s for travel costs because most of the people are volunteers. Most of the people are putting in their time, and volunteering. It’s just a matter of getting a team out there.

Bob: That’s beautiful. So people can help by actually donating money to the organization, but you also have a little store on there. People can buy some products that help to support the Project Search for Hope as well, right?

Pam: Yeah.

Bob: The International Remote Viewing Association, you’ve been the president since 2012. Is that what it is?

Pam: Yes.

Bob: That’s great. What do you do with that?

Pam: I was introduced to Remote Viewing some years back. I guess Beverly, the one I was telling you about, my mentor, she was really interested in Remote Viewing. I finally started formally studying it probably about four or five years ago. Some people are a little confused about what Remote Viewing is, but it’s just a systematic way of being psychic. It’s really kind of the way it is. But there’s a protocol that you follow, and a step-by-step procedure. Anybody can do it. You don’t have to be naturally gifted or naturally psychic. It’s just a matter of following this step-by-step protocol. But they always work blind. That’s the condition of Remote Viewing. They work completely blind. They don’t even know that they’re working on a missing persons case or anything. They are completely blind. I have found that it’s really a great tool for describing locations, because I can stay in a session a lot longer than I can as a psychic.

Bob: Oh, interesting.

Pam: I can probably do a session by myself and stay in there for like two hours.

Bob: Why is that?

Pam: I don’t know if it’s just the beginning steps that put you in touch with the target, but you actually can get to this place where you’re having a 3-D experience of the location. You can actually take your consciousness there, feel like you’re there, and you can explore. I can do that with the monitor. I can do that with somebody on the phone asking me questions. But to be able to do it by myself, is a really exciting, cool tool. So that’s what Remote Viewing has taught me.

Bob: Beautiful. You also do some stuff at Miraval, Arizona. What is this? I know spring 2015, maybe you have something coming up? What is this?

Pam: Maybe, yeah. We’re looking at it. We have a big conference coming up for the International Remote Viewing Association in June. So we’ll see if I can squeeze in another trip to Miraval. The Remote Viewing conference is going to be in New Orleans. I’ve spent a lot of time now. I was fond of New Orleans. So we’re going to go to New Orleans. Miraval is really a wonderful place, because it’s a healing spa. It’s one of the most spiritual spas in the world, I guess, is what they say. For me, with all the work that I do, it’s really important to be able to go, heal, and take care of the healer. You know, heal myself.

Bob: If you do a workshop there, is that going to be for psychics and mediums? Is it for the public? What would that be for?

Pam: Usually, when I do those at Miraval, it’s for anybody. It’s about people that are wanting to learn how to use their intuition, how to tune in, and all of that. It just so happens that you’re at a place that there’s all this meditation, yoga, and any class you could imagine that you want to take yourself. It’s really sort of a holistic sort of experience.

Bob: My wife has been there probably a few times, and absolutely loves it. You can do two or more different sessions, whether it be a massage, or something with Wyatt Webb, and the horses. It’s just so many cool things to do there. You could do two or three a day, and still, there’d be plenty that you didn’t do while you were there. Your psychic detective certification course, this is at The link is below. You just decided to do this. You’ve had 18 years or more experience doing this. You wanted to help other people get into it as well, right?

Pam: You know, there was a lot to it. It took me a long time to learn and assimilate all of this stuff because I had to make all of these mistakes in the field. So if I can help others avoid some of that at least, some of the pitfalls that are out there. It’s just a lot of information. It’s a lot. I realized how much information I was holding in my head, and I decided I needed to let it out. That’s part of it. Also, I was trying to find a way to certify people that wanted to work in my organization. Because we’re using public money, there’s got to be some sort of a standard set. So that was another part that I wanted to do. It just all sort of came together.

One of the things I always say to people is, “We’re all in this together. Anybody that is calling them a psychic, is out there and functioning in the world, we all sort of get labeled or stereotyped together.” So if I can get people out there doing better work, it’s going to reflect on the whole. So for me, as much as I can contribute to get people to do better work, behave in an ethical and grounded way, it really does reflect on all of us.

Bob: You’re speaking my language. I love that. Thank you. I love when anybody is doing that kind of a thing, because psychics and mediums are real. They do amazing work. I say that as someone who is not a psychic or medium myself. I think the biggest obstacle to more people utilizing the abilities that you guys have, is skepticism. A lot of that skepticism comes from some of the people who are, we’ll say, beginners at it. They’re inexperienced. They’re giving a bad name to the people with more experience, more training, more natural ability, higher ethical standards, and more integrity, that sort of a thing.

It just happens to be one of those subjects where when there’s one bad psychic, the story gets blown up, and everybody stereotypes everybody else who’s doing it. I don’t know why that is. It just seems to happen. So it requires 100 times those, to have credible, reputable psychs and mediums out there to make up for those few stories that exist. Anyway, thank you for that. I also want to say, you give psychic readings and mediumship readings privately, right?

Pam: Privately. It’s funny because people used to be afraid to come to me because they didn’t want to disturb all of my important work. I always say, it really makes me feel good to help people who are not in crisis. People that have normal problems, and just normal stuff. That, for me, is a break from all the heavy stuff that I deal with.

Bob: That’s really nice to hear. I’m going to get a reading from you sometime because I was so impressed with what you did. When you’re able to do it so well, as well as I witnessed on all the shows I’ve seen you on, I don’t care how much they edited it, I recognize a good psychic or medium when I see one. Not only that, but the process that you use in delivering the information with great responsibility, I don’t even have to have had a reading with you, to tell my audience this would be a great person to get a reading with.

I hope people will line up and start calling you, because they think they’ll have an extraordinary experience with you. Like you said, when you can do it under the circumstances of violent crime so well, with that kind of pressure, and then, be able to just take a person who’s going through life without that kind of background and give them a reading, that’s going to be like someone who just went through a depression, and now they don’t have it anymore. The little things that happen in life that might make other people depressed, they’re like, “Oh, that’s nothing compared to what I just went through.”

Pam: I guess for me, it’s kind of like crime happens because people are broken. So if you can sort of fix what’s happening at home before, I guess I’m all about prevention. Really, the more you can fix, and the more love you can spread now, the better off we’ll be. Really, that’s what it all is. It’s broken people hurting other people.

Bob: Yeah. You’re right. That’s true. And hey, broken people need love, too.

Pam: We try to get them before they’re broken, try to not have them get broken yet.

Bob: And that’s what your readings can do for people. I appreciate that very much. Final words, we’ve gone way over here, but wow! What an amazing chat we’ve had here today. Final words, nearly 20 years of doing this work, if there were one thing or couple of things, what do you think you’ve learned that has changed the way you live your life?

Pam: Wow! I used to live my life in a small little box. It was just me and my family. Now, of course, I’m all about service. So it’s completely changed my focus from being here to out there. So it’s changed my whole world view, in that respect. I really try to be careful not to let it get me bitter, afraid, or fearful. I’m probably a little more over-protective than your average parent. I have to admit. I am definitely more aware of the kinds of things that happen out there. But I also have a lot of compassion. I think that, like I said, I view crime probably differently than a lot of people do, because I recognize that from a spiritual level, there’s all kinds of things about it that we don’t understand.

Bob: You said in your course, to help people find the balance that you’re talking about here, and not be overcome by the negativity that you’re working with, is to focus on the love that is in your life. And it’s all around you. I thought that was just great advice. I think each and every one of us could do that, to try to stop thinking about the things that we’re worried about, the problems that we’re having, and focus more on the love that’s in our life. That would lift anybody up, if you just took five minutes a day to do that, just more great advice from your course. All right. Pam Coronado, thank you so much for being here today. I’ve learned a great deal. If you ever need Afterlife TV to help you with anything, you certainly let us know. We love the work you’re doing, so thanks so much for that.

Pam: Thank you, Bob.

Bob: All right. We do a little thing. We just do a little Afterlife TV wave here, so just say goodbye to everybody.

Pam: Bye.

Bob: Bye.

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